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driven downturn. >> and there are forecasts now. i thought it was nomura city. whichever bank, i apologize. talking about spanish gdp by 4%. >> one shouldn't exaggerate. span entered the crisis in a relatively comfortable position debtwise. the problem is, the scale of the economic downturn and the fact that the -- the costs of the bank bailout have been basically settled, have saddled spain to even higher debt. that's clearly undermined spain's creditworthiness. >> the thing is, is what we're seeing here just something that's going on in january? because with such easy money in the world and the fact that if you're a fixed income investor, real returns are negative. are we driving fixed income investors not just in the sovereign market, but, you know, they're not going to -- they can't switch out of fixed income into equity. we talk about them looking at structured credit now seems to be flying, investment grade is overvalued. i wonder if that's what's going on here, if you can find the spanish debt at 5%, it's still better than other stuff you could buy. >> what we're seeing he
quarter. maybe some positive news there. tina, from citi, she's been taking a look at what the president has to do, i guess, in his second term or what he's expected to do. what i loved was your point, how did you put it? fiscal deals or compromise tend to disappear in washington like -- >> the bermuda triangle. >> you don't have high hopes for compromise here? >> no. most politicians in the developed world, and the u.s. very much within this, it's not going to see -- i'm not going to provide fertile ground for grand bargains. politicians like to talk about it. this is their way of saying, we're ready to do a deal, but it's those guys, they won't compromise. we think we'll see more of this piecemeal last minute compromises. >> and we're fating critical issues in the u.s. people might be aware of the fiscal cliff, but there's the continuing resolution, there's the sequester that goes into effect march 1st. should we hold our breath for compromise here? and, again, the issue is being forced because these are situations in which if there's no action, something still happens. >> that's right
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